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Was Jesus a woman? Is L Ron Hubbard in permanent orbit around the earth? Is Vladimir Putin a cross-dresser? We can be fairly certain the answer to the third question is ‘no’, but the jury is still out on questions 1 and 2. According the writings of the 14th century English mystic Julian of Norwich, God is both our mother and our father; and Jesus, she averred, is like a mother who is wise, loving and merciful.

I’m a committed lesbian. Since arriving here on Lush in early July, I’ve found this site to be a wonderfully safe haven for sexy fun and serious chat. So please can I take up a few minutes of your time (eliciting a reply too, I hope) with the latter?

I was probably born a lesbian – although it took me a long time to accept that I was one. In my adolescent years I tried to conform to the norm – if ‘tart’ can be considered the norm for a female. I was very popular with the men. I came out about 40 years ago, though that did not stop me from marrying the last decent man on earth. Apparently, I am still a woman, and therefore still a lesbian. I am sure I will die a lesbian. There are lots of lesbians here on Lush – and why not? Lush is a safe and friendly place for us, as it is for bi women, gay and bi-men.

I have heard it posited that most lesbians on here are really men. I don't know about that, one way or the other. I don't understand it if it's true. Why, when you have the chance to be who you really are, something you can't always do elswhere, would you want to be someone else? Are there really that many men who want to be lesbians? Thinking about it though, maybe there are. I sure as hell don't want to be a man, why should they.

I am not a man and wasn’t born a man. Nor will I die as a man. But my nagging concern is: What if I’m not a lesbian after all? What if I’m not even a woman? What if I’m a man! How would I know if I’m a man? What clues might I have missed? Would a search warrant be required or even a physical examination? Is this, perhaps, part of some great Global Anti-Lesbian Conspiracy? Dear old Alfred Kinsey, 70 years ago in his ground-breaking report, introduced the world to The Kinsey Scale. Our sexuality, sexual feelings and sexual attractions, he posited, can fluctuate in our adult life. Mine most certainly have.

So how do I tell if I’m a man? I don’t want to be one, I’m very happy being a lesbian. But if I’m not a lesbian I really need to know immediately.

Mrs

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

It doesn't matter what gender you are attracted to. I find females are gorgeous and males handsome. I do identify as straight but I have kissed and been heavy with females before. It was all in fun.
I have never considered myself anything other than a lesbian. I dont know how a man feels in himself but I have always felt womanly, feminine and utterly happy in my own body. Maybe the test is if you feel that you are in the wrong body then you may well be. Isn't that what a lot of trans people feel, that they are trapped in the wrong corporeal identity?

I reckon you're a woman, Mrs W smile
I have a hormonal problem which meant I stopped developing in many ways after the age of 12, so I am always getting asked where my mother is, and whether she knows I am a out alone. I am 30, but only 4'10", so my main difficulty around 'was I a woman' was to do with convincing people that I am an adult - my ID card needs replacing annually, lol. But, having gone through a phase when I wished I had bigger breasts (well tbh, any visible growth) and fuller hips and was more 'womanly', I came to accept I am the way I am, and that includes not finding men in the slightest bit sexually attractive. It may have something to do with finding older women of a submissive bent, immensely attractive (ehem).
I am a straight male, while at the same time I am fully believing that whatever form love takes, it is still love. We were never meant to be clones of each other. Each and every one of us is a full fledged human being and entitled to respect. Be who you are. If folks don't like it, fuck them.
BTW, most of the things I have learned about pleasing women came from women, some of whom identify as lesbians. Accept yourself.
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It doesn't matter what gender you are attracted to. I find females are gorgeous and males handsome. I do identify as straight but I have kissed and been heavy with females before. It was all in fun.


I notice you have claimed bi-curious in your profile. Good to see you are not limiting your options. And remember, a steamy romp with another woman does not make you a lesbian. You get to decide who you are still.

Of course if you suddenly realise you can't go more than a day without a woman in your arms that's a different matter.

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

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I have never considered myself anything other than a lesbian. I dont know how a man feels in himself but I have always felt womanly, feminine and utterly happy in my own body. Maybe the test is if you feel that you are in the wrong body then you may well be. Isn't that what a lot of trans people feel, that they are trapped in the wrong corporeal identity?

I reckon you're a woman, Mrs W smile


In some ways I envey women who know right from the starting gate, in others I'm glad I spent over a decade being a tart. Through it all I always wanted to be a woman. My only question was who with.

Trans can be a horrible burden, even with support. We can choose our partners, but not our bodies. Not without a lot of hassle.

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

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I have a hormonal problem which meant I stopped developing in many ways after the age of 12, so I am always getting asked where my mother is, and whether she knows I am a out alone. I am 30, but only 4'10", so my main difficulty around 'was I a woman' was to do with convincing people that I am an adult - my ID card needs replacing annually, lol. But, having gone through a phase when I wished I had bigger breasts (well tbh, any visible growth) and fuller hips and was more 'womanly', I came to accept I am the way I am, and that includes not finding men in the slightest bit sexually attractive. It may have something to do with finding older women of a submissive bent, immensely attractive (ehem).


Pix my Dear, I will get back to you when the Lush gods allow.

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

While self-reflection is usually a good thing, if you came out as a lesbian 40 years ago, it's probably a little late to be questioning your orientation, let alone your gender. By Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, so if you've felt like a lesbian all these years, and you don't have a penis, you're probably a lesbian. I've never questioned my gender identity, as I have no androgynous ambiguity at all, and my bi-sexuality is so ingrained, I've never had any doubts about my orientation, but I've always been so sexually free and, well... promiscuous, for lack of a nicer word, people have suggested I have a man's personality in a woman's body. I tend to not ascribe stereotypical gender role expectations for members of either sex, so I don't worry much about being different from most women personality-wise. I've always felt confidently bi-sexual, but at certain periods in my life, I've been much more lesbian than other times, moreso because of situational opportunities than changes in personal preference. So I'm curious why at this late stage you are having doubts about your sexuality.
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I am a straight male, while at the same time I am fully believing that whatever form love takes, it is still love. We were never meant to be clones of each other. Each and every one of us is a full fledged human being and entitled to respect. Be who you are. If folks don't like it, fuck them.


We are, as you say, full fledged human beings and entitled to respect.

Personally I prefer to fuck the ones who like it.

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

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BTW, most of the things I have learned about pleasing women came from women, some of whom identify as lesbians. Accept yourself.


Who better than a woman to teach a man about women. Of course the man has to have a feminine side to pay attention, not be all "If I keep pounding away she'll cum, and if she doesn't that's on her." Good for you for paying attention. For a man you aren't bad.

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

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While self-reflection is usually a good thing, if you came out as a lesbian 40 years ago, it's probably a little late to be questioning your orientation, let alone your gender. By Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one, so if you've felt like a lesbian all these years, and you don't have a penis, you're probably a lesbian. I've never questioned my gender identity, as I have no androgynous ambiguity at all, and my bi-sexuality is so ingrained, I've never had any doubts about my orientation, but I've always been so sexually free and, well... promiscuous, for lack of a nicer word, people have suggested I have a man's personality in a woman's body. I tend to not ascribe stereotypical gender role expectations for members of either sex, so I don't worry much about being different from most women personality-wise. I've always felt confidently bi-sexual, but at certain periods in my life, I've been much more lesbian than other times, moreso because of situational opportunities than changes in personal preference. So I'm curious why at this late stage you are having doubts about your sexuality.


I wrote this post with tongue firmly in cheek, but centred around the serious I believe proposition that most of the lesbians on Lush are really men.

I don't see a penis, but what if it is. What if I've been bamboozled into thinking it's a clitoris somehow. After all, these lesbians who are really men have to come from somewhere!

In truth, from "straight" to "bi" to "les"I have been a tart. I like sex. I can live without it, as I have for nearly 2 decades, but if it's on offer and meets certain criteria I'll take it. For 40 years one of those criterium has been no penis. Except my husband, for 2 years.

Promiscuous is a nicer term, but it's a lot more letters. Besides, when people want to denigrate me they are more likely to say "fucking tart" than "promiscuous bitch." If I accept I'm a tart it's harder for some asshole to hurt me.

A man's personality in a woman's body is I believe crap. We are both women, you are more butch than I. I tend towards femme. If these terms are no longer in common or accepted usage I appologise. Maybe dominant and submissive are better fits now. I have so much to learn

Mrs

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

One of the first signs that you have achieved wisdom is to acknowledge your ignorance.
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I wrote messages to the three of you who responded so far, and Lush promptly threw them in the trash. I suffer from CRAFT disease, so I've no idea what I said. I'll try ty come up with something once my mail privileges are restored.

fuck


free members may receive PMs but do not have the ability to send. hope that helps and sorry about that. when you first joined, you got a free bronze membership for 90 days and could send PMs, but now that it's expired, yeah, you lost the ability.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

On Lush when someone says that a lot of lesbians on Lush are men, it is not figuritive but literal. There are a lot of men posing as women, especially personifying themselves as women. This is so they can cyber sex with real lesbians and get their rocks off.

Let's be real. I am sure almost all real lesbians can figure out the fakes very quickly. I am guessing the fake lesbian (men) usually end up cybering with each other unbeknownst. A rather humorous picture, right?

One great thing about Lush is making friends with wonderful people of all sexual lifestyles and genders.
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I wrote this post with tongue firmly in cheek, but centred around the serious I believe proposition that most of the lesbians on Lush are really men.

I don't see a penis, but what if it is. What if I've been bamboozled into thinking it's a clitoris somehow. After all, these lesbians who are really men have to come from somewhere!

In truth, from "straight" to "bi" to "les"I have been a tart. I like sex. I can live without it, as I have for nearly 2 decades, but if it's on offer and meets certain criteria I'll take it. For 40 years one of those criterium has been no penis. Except my husband, for 2 years.

Promiscuous is a nicer term, but it's a lot more letters. Besides, when people want to denigrate me they are more likely to say "fucking tart" than "promiscuous bitch." If I accept I'm a tart it's harder for some asshole to hurt me.

A man's personality in a woman's body is I believe crap. We are both women, you are more butch than I. I tend towards femme. If these terms are no longer in common or accepted usage I appologise. Maybe dominant and submissive are better fits now. I have so much to learn

Mrs


while i believe that yes, some of the 'lesbians' here are guys (why they do that, i have no freaking idea) i think that it's pretty easy to sort them out if it's someone you spend a little time getting to know. now, if you're just after a quickie cyber, then it's a different deal. *shrugs*

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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I wrote this post with tongue firmly in cheek, but centred around the serious I believe proposition that most of the lesbians on Lush are really men.

I don't see a penis, but what if it is. What if I've been bamboozled into thinking it's a clitoris somehow. After all, these lesbians who are really men have to come from somewhere!

In truth, from "straight" to "bi" to "les"I have been a tart. I like sex. I can live without it, as I have for nearly 2 decades, but if it's on offer and meets certain criteria I'll take it. For 40 years one of those criterium has been no penis. Except my husband, for 2 years.

Promiscuous is a nicer term, but it's a lot more letters. Besides, when people want to denigrate me they are more likely to say "fucking tart" than "promiscuous bitch." If I accept I'm a tart it's harder for some asshole to hurt me.

A man's personality in a woman's body is I believe crap. We are both women, you are more butch than I. I tend towards femme. If these terms are no longer in common or accepted usage I appologise. Maybe dominant and submissive are better fits now. I have so much to learn

Mrs



Somehow, when I picture a 'butch' femme, she doesn't look like me! I'll settle for tomboy. :-)
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free members may receive PMs but do not have the ability to send. hope that helps and sorry about that. when you first joined, you got a free bronze membership for 90 days and could send PMs, but now that it's expired, yeah, you lost the ability.


I have been here 15 days, not 90. I think I'm hitting a daaily limit. I have no idea what that limit is, nor if it is based on membership level. I did not know PMs would cut off completely with my teemporary membership.I'll need to find extra work I guess.

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

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free members may receive PMs but do not have the ability to send. hope that helps and sorry about that. when you first joined, you got a free bronze membership for 90 days and could send PMs, but now that it's expired, yeah, you lost the ability.


I have been here 15 days, not 90. I think I'm hitting a daaily limit. I have no idea what that limit is, nor if it is based on membership level. I did not know PMs would cut off completely with my teemporary membership.I'll need to find extra work I guess.

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

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while i believe that yes, some of the 'lesbians' here are guys (why they do that, i have no freaking idea) i think that it's pretty easy to sort them out if it's someone you spend a little time getting to know. now, if you're just after a quickie cyber, then it's a different deal. *shrugs*


Do you suppose they figure as pretend dykes they'll be accepted into the magic circle, whatever they conceive that to be?

Or perhapse they are concerned that The Lesbian Conspiracy is about to make its move and they should prepare.

Just a thought. Or two.

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

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Somehow, when I picture a 'butch' femme, she doesn't look like me! I'll settle for tomboy. :-)


This is the second time I've seen "butch femme." The terms are mutually exclusive.

Tomboy on the other hand can describe any woman, not just a lesbian. It is a nice term, a nice visual if you will. Go for it.

As I understand the terms from way back in the dawn of time, butch is more masculine and femme is more feminine. They may be hard to tell apart by looks, a butch lesbian need not have chiseled feature or carry a wrench in her overalls pocket.

I am femme, but you are prettier.

Mrs

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

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Do you suppose they figure as pretend dykes they'll be accepted into the magic circle, whatever they conceive that to be?

Or perhapse they are concerned that The Lesbian Conspiracy is about to make its move and they should prepare.

Just a thought. Or two.


I believe that many men here come here to get close to women and probably have cybersex.
Maybe women are not attracted to me, or that I am buck ugly. Or perhaps it is somersetting else. But MY experience tells me the number of heterosexual women who are interested in cyber-sex here it seems falls far short of the number required for all those horny men ot find a partner.
So what some of those men do is pretend to be lesbian women to find a lesbian lady who will play with them, thinking they are women.

Now I am clearly a heterosexual male. But I deeply admire lesbians, and no it is not from watching them making out. It is from their joy in knowing they are something wonderful, and that many beautiful women here are lesbians too. I find it very easy to love someone like that even if it means I will never have sex with them of any kind. In fact, the woman I adore most for a long time on this site is a lesbian. I am not sure if I even know what she looks like. That doesn't matter to me. When I talk to her, I beam, laughter, banter, and get told to fly a kite now and then as well! I get the biggest kick out of the way she even does that!!
So, I am a hetero man who loves lesbians ( among others). So what does that make me? I just say, a man who loves women. I like being who I am. I have no desire to be anyone else, as full of flaws as I am.
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I believe that many men here come here to get close to women and probably have cybersex.
Maybe women are not attracted to me, or that I am buck ugly. Or perhaps it is somersetting else. But MY experience tells me the number of heterosexual women who are interested in cyber-sex here it seems falls far short of the number required for all those horny men ot find a partner.
So what some of those men do is pretend to be lesbian women to find a lesbian lady who will play with them, thinking they are women.

Now I am clearly a heterosexual male. But I deeply admire lesbians, and no it is not from watching them making out. It is from their joy in knowing they are something wonderful, and that many beautiful women here are lesbians too. I find it very easy to love someone like that even if it means I will never have sex with them of any kind. In fact, the woman I adore most for a long time on this site is a lesbian. I am not sure if I even know what she looks like. That doesn't matter to me. When I talk to her, I beam, laughter, banter, and get told to fly a kite now and then as well! I get the biggest kick out of the way she even does that!!
So, I am a hetero man who loves lesbians ( among others). So what does that make me? I just say, a man who loves women. I like being who I am. I have no desire to be anyone else, as full of flaws as I am.


Okay, men, here, cybersex, too many - I get that.

Okay, they don't want to have sex with other men, and who can blame them. I sure as hell don't. Ew. I guess that just leaves lesbians. Everyone knows we'll screw anything with tits.

Okay, so I've got one of these fake dykes in my bed. What happens when I grab my biggest strapon and point it at his arsehole? Does he run screaming home to his mommy? I'm sure he hasn't come here for that. Or maybe he already has a strapon when he clambers over me, hoping I won't see the join? Is that how you tell if your lover is really real? See if there's daylight between her and her appliances?

And what do we do with these impostors when we find them? Is there a procedure, is there an anti-fake squad? Do these squad members clamp the fakes' members and leave them on the hiways and byways of Lush for later collection?

Moving on, since hopefully we've dealt with the fakes. Yes, you are clearly a male, I can see the join. Whether you are heterosexual is entirely up to you my dear, but I am inclined to take you at your word. You say your interest in lessies is not to watch us bump and grind and suck each other's tits and lick each other from head to toe and ... whoops sorry, it gets me every time. You gotta admit, we are fun to watch. But I probably should not ridicule like that, even if it is fun.You are right, every one of us lesbians is wonderful. And so are all the straight and bi women, and hell, even the men, those who aren't busy hiding their manhood so they can cop a feel.

Maybe the answer is gallons and gallons of wesson oil and one huge orgy, all of Lush, even the fakes. Can we book Wembley for it?

Looks like we're in for a nasty spell of wether.

Gracie Goes To Hollywood's - True

The Night They Tried to Close RUMPLATIONS Bar (with JamesLlewellyn)

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Okay, men, here, cybersex, too many - I get that.

Okay, they don't want to have sex with other men, and who can blame them. I sure as hell don't. Ew. I guess that just leaves lesbians. Everyone knows we'll screw anything with tits.

Okay, so I've got one of these fake dykes in my bed. What happens when I grab my biggest strapon and point it at his arsehole? Does he run screaming home to his mommy? I'm sure he hasn't come here for that. Or maybe he already has a strapon when he clambers over me, hoping I won't see the join? Is that how you tell if your lover is really real? See if there's daylight between her and her appliances?

And what do we do with these impostors when we find them? Is there a prcedure, is there an anti-fake squad? Do these squad members clamp the fakes' members and leave them on the hiways and byways of Lush for later collection?

Moving on, since hopefully we've dealt with the fakes. Yes, you are clearly a male, I can see the join. Whether you are heterosexual is entirely up to you my dear, but I am inclined to take you at your word. You say your interest in lessies is not to watch us bump and grind and suck each other's tits and lick each other from head to toe and ... whoops sorry, it gets me every time. You gotta admit, we are fun to watch. But I probably should not ridicule like that, even if it is fun.You are right, every one of us lesbians is wonderful. And so are all the straight and bi women, and hell, even the men, those who aren't busy hiding their manhood so they can cop a feel.

Maybe the answer is gallons and gallons of wesson oil and one huge orgy, all of Lush, even the fakes. Can we book Wembly for it?


Thank you sincerely. I say that even though you may not believe me when I tell you the reason I have lesbian friends I have come to love and respect is not due primarily what lesbians do together in the privacy of their homes. It is OK. I am man enough to accept that some people doubt me on some things I say and do. Why should I be any differently judged? I'm nothing special.

But what I would like to add is this: I respect lesbians because, in the face of terrible consequences, they have remained courageous in their fight to be recognized as simple human beings; in their fight to try at least to tell the world that we are living in a culture; to give what they have to other mistreated women in every quarter it seems; for their accepting that some of us men need to grow and want to [sadly not enough] and try to help us(!); to give food, shelter, and home to so many women living in virtual hell in many, many places; for fighting for equality of recognition that if anyone does a job, they should be paid for it period, and not put on a rate chart distinguishing men from women, one from any other race, and on and on! I can honestly go on and on for a very long time here.
So, yes, it is a wonderful thing to see two people who love each other expressing their affection for each other regardless of what their gender is. To see pairs of men and women holding hands, flirting with each other, and so on. For trying to look their best for each other, they often look gorgeous to a man like me, who is just an onlooker.
Now, as for what the site, or you, should do about the men who impersonate women here, I would not presume to stand in for those who run the site and do what they think is best.
Thank you in advance for your respect.
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Was Jesus a woman?


So how do I tell if I’m a man? I don’t want to be one, I’m very happy being a lesbian. But if I’m not a lesbian I really need to know immediately.

Mrs


For a long time i questioned if Jesus was a woman... I am not joking, considering I am from a religious family, i just wanted my "sin" to make sense. i am at a point now where religion and thus jesus are more... fluid, states of existence.

why should jesus actually have a sex since god an all...

any way

in the context of lush, i don;t think it matters if some one is ... anything... sexually speaking.

in reality... you could be a man smile i sometimes feel like i should have been a man... only for a few seconds though, it mostly has to do with feeling safe. then i realize that saftey... only relates to the external, and what we all seek is much more internal.
i guess it has to do with happiness. be happy, who cares about your sex :)